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APEC后谈对占中清场顺理成章
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  APEC后谈对占中清场顺理成章

    香港傳出7000警察待命準備清障的消息,儘管港府方面表示清障不同於坊間所說的清場,但這個消息還是被普遍看成當局將採取行動結束“佔中”的信號。
  其實“佔中”就對香港的政治影響力來說,已經差不多被“清場”了。“佔中”早已失去開始時的聲勢,它打出的所有口號都被證明嚴重不切實際。如今支持者少了,目標空了,雖然那些帳篷還占據著廣場,但很多裡面經常沒人,那裡曾有過的心氣更是散了一大半。  “佔中”者鬧在香港,心裡真正惦記的卻是北京的態度。北京APEC開得非常成功,中國外交獲得豐富成果,習奧會的壓軸尤其精彩奪目,“佔中”對北京APEC的影響幾乎就是零。這對“佔中”勢力的打擊恐怕比什麼都大,這樣的冷落和“被遺忘”,應該能幫助他們理解“他們是誰”這個最基本的問題。  香港社會不得不陪著“佔中”的那些鬧事者玩了些日子,有什麼辦法,這座城市出了這麼一批“不懂事的孩子”,大人們跑不掉。但整個國家沒有功夫都陪著那幫自以為是的毛頭小子和他們背後的幾個政客玩。誰都休想綁架這個國家,國家是一定要前進的,你自己要想做“沉舟”、做“病樹”,是你自己的事。  奧巴馬這次在北京沒說出讓香港“佔中”者感到鼓舞的話,反而“像發毒誓一樣”強調美國沒有參與支持“佔中”。這恐怕對“佔中”者們也是不小的打擊。如果真像“佔中”者們所想的那樣,他們都是“甘地”,都是“馬丁·路德·金”,他們搞的就像是“新五四運動”,奧巴馬等西方領導人恐怕就不會是現在這個態度了。因為誰都看得見,“佔中”就是在毀香港法治,傷這個金融中心的競爭力,它幹的確實是壞事,所以暗挺它可以,公開支持它難。  有趣的是,香港一些“佔中”者宣稱要“占領”英國駐港總領事館,他們應該連美國總領事館一起占了,光占前者對西方的觸動大概不夠。


  當然,他們最好的選擇還是主動拆了帳篷和路障,早點結束鬧劇。但問題是他們很可能不會這樣做。

  香港警方的強制性清場作為一種“了斷”,恐怕是要發生的。“佔中”者們越洩氣,越覺得鬧下去沒意思了但只是不願意主動收場,清場將越順利。種種跡象顯示,這些條件在一天天增加和成熟。

  然而只要是警方動手清場,一定程度的對抗大概避免不了。即使是為了面對攝像機作秀,一些“反抗”的動作也是少不了的。肢體衝突是否會導致流血,這是清場本身的風險,也是之後香港局勢的一個銜接性元素。

  清場將是對香港警方專業水平的考驗,也是對香港反對派責任感的檢閱。相信香港警方很希望最終實現“和平清場”,內地公眾和香港多數人也很期待它的出現。但也會有少數激進分子盼著香港街頭“出流血事件”,借此開展對港府和中央發動新攻勢的政治動員。如果現在就存在這樣的野心,那麼清場的不測事件就有可能被倒推著“呼喚”出來。這可不是什麼陰謀論,這是世界很多動蕩地區反覆驗證了的政治規律。

  因此現在就要為警方和平清場造勢,讓所有港人都清楚警方的克制,了解抗拒警方執法對香港意味著什麼,以及那些鼓動對抗警方的人在把什麼樣的風險帶到香港社會面前。香港原本是法治社會,出了“佔中”已丟一分。如果“佔中”不能和平結束,那麼香港的老本就將丟得所剩無幾。









本帖最後由 南山28子 於 2014-11-14 21:23 編輯

After accounting for the APEC talks on clearance naturally

    outgoing 7000 Hong Kong police stand ready wrecker news, although different from the Government side said anecdotal said wrecker cleared, but the news was generally seen as the authorities will take action to end " accounting in "signal.
  In fact, "representing the" on Hong Kong's political influence, it has almost been "cleared" the. "Accounted for the" long lost momentum at the start, all the slogans that have been proven to play serious impractical. Today, fewer supporters, the goal empty, although those tents still occupy the square, but there is often not a lot of people, there had been the heart of the gas is scattered a half. "Accounted for" on those downtown in Hong Kong, but my heart really thinking about is the attitude of Beijing. Beijing APEC was very successful, the Chinese Foreign obtain fruitful, Xi Olympic finale especially wonderful, gorgeous, "representing the" APEC's impact on Beijing is almost zero. This "account in" combat forces is probably more than anything else big, so the cold and the "forgotten", should be able to help them understand "who they are" the most fundamental issue. Hong Kong society had to stay "account of" those troublemakers play some days, in what ways the city out of such a group of "naive child," big people captive. But the country does not have to stay with the gang effort opinionated brat and several politicians behind them to play. No one can never expect to kidnap this country, the country is sure to advance, you want to do, "Shen Zhou" to do "sick tree", is your own thing. Obama did not say this in Beijing to sell Hong Kong, "accounting for the" who is encouraged by the words, but "like a swear like" stressed that the US was not involved in support of "accounting in." This is probably on the "account of" who is not a small blow. If you really like "account of" those who think that they are "Gandhi", are "Martin Luther King, Jr.," they do like is the "new Fourth Movement," Obama and other Western leaders I'm afraid it will not be the attitude now. Because no one can see, "accounting for the" rule of law in Hong Kong is in ruin, hurt the competitiveness of the financial center, it's really bad dry, so it can be quite dark, publicly supported it difficult. Interestingly, some of Hong Kong, "accounting for the" who claimed to "occupy" the British Consulate General, Consulate General of the United States they should be connected together accounted for, the light touch of the West accounted for the former is probably not enough.


  Of course, they are the best choice or initiative to dismantle the tents and barricades early end farce. But the problem is that they probably will not.   Mandatory cleared the Hong Kong Police as a "a break" is probably going to happen. "Accounted for" on who the more discouraged, the more I go downtown boring but just do not want to take the initiative to end, the clearance will be more successful. There are signs that these conditions increase and mature in one day.   However, as long as the police cleared hands, a certain degree of confrontation is probably unavoidable. Even in the face of the camera in order to show some "resistance" movement is unavoidable. Whether physical conflict will lead to bloodshed, which is cleared itself of risk, but also a convergence of elements after the situation in Hong Kong.   Clearance will be a test of the Hong Kong Police professional standards, but also the responsibility to review Hong Kong's opposition. Hong Kong police believe it hopes to eventually achieve "peace clearance", the Mainland and Hong Kong, the majority of the public is also looking forward to its appearance. But there will be a few streets of Hong Kong activists looking forward to "the bloodshed", thereby carry out the central Government to launch a new offensive and political mobilization. If now there is no such ambitions, then eventualities clearance is likely to be pushed back, "calling out". This is not a conspiracy theory, this is a lot of turmoil in the world's political law repeatedly verified.   So now it is necessary for police clearance peace rally, so that all Hong Kong people are aware of police restraint, resisting police law enforcement to understand what it means for Hong Kong, as well as those who instigated the police in the fight against what risks to the front of the Hong Kong community. Hong Kong was originally a society ruled by law, an "account in the" already lost a point. If the "account in" Peace can not be completed, then the capital of Hong Kong will lose almost everything.








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"普奥会"先冷艳后拍肩 3度对话相敬如"冰"
2014-11-12 08:13|来源/作者:大公网|我要分享
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美国白宫说,总统奥巴马和俄罗斯总统普京11日藉北京亚太经济合作会议高峰会,2人在场边会面3次,短暂交谈了“共约15至20分钟”,对话主题涵盖伊朗、叙利亚和乌克兰。但两人互动僵硬,周二共抵会场时,普京先被拍到给了奥巴马一个冷眼,后在入座前又尴尬地拍拍他的肩膀,但奥巴马几无回应,反映出美俄关系相敬如“冰”。
  

  俄罗斯总统普京(右)11日在APEC会场轻拍美国总统奥巴马 法新社

  【大公中原新闻网讯】综合美联社、路透社及英国《每日邮报》报道,美国白宫说,总统奥巴马和俄罗斯总统普京11日藉北京亚太经济合作会议高峰会,2人在场边会面3次,短暂交谈了“共约15至20分钟”,对话主题涵盖伊朗、叙利亚和乌克兰。但两人互动僵硬,周二共抵会场时,普京先被拍到给了奥巴马一个冷眼,后在入座前又尴尬地拍拍他的肩膀,但奥巴马几无回应,反映出美俄关系相敬如“冰”。

  这两位领袖本周两度相遇,首先是在北京,稍后将在澳洲布里斯班的20国集团(G20)峰会,因此不太可能避免在国际舞台上互动,尤其全球媒体和其他国家领袖的目光都集中在他们身上。

  共赞APEC会议室漂亮

  奥巴马与普京之间毫无默契可言,这两人在APEC论坛非正式接触时,气氛几乎可以用冷冰冰来形容。APEC峰会在北京城外怀柔雁栖湖国际会议中心登场时,中国国家主席习近平与奥巴马及普京走在一起,在习近平旁边的两人脸上都没有笑容。有人听到普京以英文往奥巴马的方向说:“很漂亮,不是吗?”他指的是装饰华丽的会议室。根据目击现场情况的记者,奥巴马只冷淡地回答:“是啊。”

  这3人在会议桌习近平的座位旁停下脚步。普京伸出手拍了奥巴马的肩膀一下,奥巴马几无回应。这两人分别在习近平的左、右侧坐下来。

  美俄关系冷战后最差

  后来,奥巴马与普京走进大厅拍摄峰会领袖大合照时,有人看到这两人进行公事化对谈,后头跟着一名翻译。而在拍完大合照领导人散场时,奥巴马与普京相向而走时,居然僵硬地把头扭向一边,与普京没有任何眼神接触。

  美国国家安全会议发言人米汉对记者说:“奥巴马总统全天有3个场合都有机会和普京总统谈话,历时共15至20分钟。他们的谈话(内容)覆盖伊朗、叙利亚和乌克兰。”

  这两位领袖似乎应该有很多话题可讨论,但很难找到共识。奥巴马与普京上一次会面是在6月,两人共同出席法国诺曼第登陆纪念日活动,也只是交谈寥寥数语。过去一年,两人多以电话沟通看法,双方的往来被形容为令人沮丧的紧绷,华府和莫斯科的关系已跌落到后冷战时期的低点。奥巴马强调,俄罗斯要停止支持乌克兰东部的亲俄分离分子。普京批评,美国和欧盟向莫斯科实施的制裁带来反效果。

  双方淡化接触重要性

  美俄双方事后都淡化了普奥短暂接触的重要性,一名美国高层官员说,“两人只有短暂邂逅,没有时间谈问题”。白宫副国家安全顾问本·罗德斯说,不论是在APEC或G20峰会,目前仍没有安排奥巴马与普京正式晤谈的计划。

  细看两人之间的身体语言,已经成为外交界的某种消遣了。这两人个人风格的强烈反差,也在APEC峰会上展示出来。普京既傲慢又有阳刚气。奥巴马则比较专业,有时会自觉。在植树仪式上,普京昂首阔步、挺起胸膛、把泥铲到树的根上。奥巴马把双手紧放在背后走前,拾起铲子,咧齿而笑,把泥堆在他的树上。
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